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  • You can now register for our spring testing in the Harrisburg Area on April 28 2010 - Howard Richman 1/27/2010 (0)

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  • Older Teens Consider Volunteering for Sam Rohrer for Governor Campaign - Alison Weber 3/19/2010 (0)
  • teacher/tutor/coach needs in homeschool community? - S Frey 3/18/2010 (0)
  • Graduation Registration - Kevin Bragg 3/18/2010 (0)
  • Wildlife Leadership Academy-- applications due April 1st... program for 14-17 year olds in PA... - Susan Richman 3/17/2010 (0)
  • CCIU Summer Career Academies - Deb Watson 3/17/2010 (0)
  • Getting Boys To Read - Bruce Deitrick Price 3/17/2010 (0)
  • Wildlife Leadership Academy - Application Deadline Approaching Soon! - Michele 3/17/2010 (0)
  • Attn: 15-18 Year Olds - City on the Hill Youth Leadership Conference - Emily Shaheen 3/17/2010 (0)
  • testing - Lea Cale 3/16/2010 (1)
  • Grandparent Homeschooling - Jen 3/16/2010 (0)
  • Art classes, Pre-School through adults - mike 3/16/2010 (0)
  • PHAA Harrisburg Graduation 2010 - Charlene 3/15/2010 (1)
  • new baby coming, please advise! - Angela 3/15/2010 (1)
  • testing - Terri 3/15/2010 (1)
  • School Day Performance for Seussical Jr still available - Stephanie Harley 3/15/2010 (0)
  • Pa Game Commission Seedlings for Schools Program - Cliff Guindon 3/15/2010 (0)
  • LCA announces 2010 spring production: Anne of Green Gables - A Musical - Janice Firth 3/15/2010 (0)
  • Educator Reception - Marty McGuire 3/15/2010 (0)
  • senior portfolios - Heidi L. James 3/15/2010 (0)
  • Prom Western Pa. - Amy Hartman 3/14/2010 (0)
  • Homeschooling stinks - Shayna 3/14/2010 (1)
  • Vo-tech opportunities - Tara 3/13/2010 (1)
  • Homeschooling 1/2 a year at home and 1/2 a year traveling - Amy Hansel 3/12/2010 (0)
  • graduation ceremonies - Heidi L. James 3/12/2010 (0)
  • Books for sale (Abeka, bible truths, High school text, and much more) - Jonnie 3/11/2010 (1)
  • Duel enrollment - Melissa Dillman 3/10/2010 (2)
  • help w/ daughter - pixie 3/10/2010 (2)
  • Reminder - Upcoming Used Curriculum/Book Sale March 11th and 12th - Stephanie 3/9/2010 (0)
  • Homeschool prom - Valerie 3/9/2010 (1)
  • Spring Testing Dates and Locations - Mistey 3/8/2010 (1)
  • help w/starting homeschool w/15yr old - Merrill Jones 3/8/2010 (3)
  • PHEAA Application Process - Steve Thompson 3/8/2010 (1)
  • Sola Gratia Musicians homeschool choir concert invitation - Janice Firth 3/8/2010 (0)
  • English reading requirement - Cindy 3/8/2010 (2)
  • Consumer Math series for HS students - Annette 3/8/2010 (5)
  • Sites for AP Exams? - Joe Strayhorn 3/8/2010 (11)
  • Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn arrested in Pakistan - He was homeschooled until age 15 in California - Howard Richman 3/7/2010 (0)
  • HELP - Merrill Jones 3/6/2010 (2)
  • immunizations - Liz 3/6/2010 (0)
  • Homeschool family from Kentucky on cross-country bicycle trip - Howard Richman 3/4/2010 (0)
  • homeschooling - darlene 3/3/2010 (2)
  • Can you afford a free College Education? - Charles Sierer 3/2/2010 (0)
  • HOST FAMILIES FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENTS SHORT TERM - jzskinner 2/28/2010 (0)
  • Eastern Prom - Kathleen Kade 2/28/2010 (0)
  • Learn A Gospel - Kirk Fraser 2/27/2010 (0)
  • Rudolph Flesch's "Why Johnny Can't Read" is 55. And as important as ever! - Bruce Deitrick Price 2/25/2010 (0)
  • When somebody else does our required 5th grade testing.... - Nan 2/25/2010 (2)
  • Prom Western Pa. - Amy & Myron Hartman 2/24/2010 (0)
  • NEPA Energy Solutions Expo being Planned for June 2010 - Brian O 2/23/2010 (0)
  • SPRING into action...volunteer! - Rebecca 2/23/2010 (0)
  • American Olympic figure skater Mirai Nagasu, 16, is homeschooled - Howard Richman 2/23/2010 (0)
  • graduation information - Pam 2/23/2010 (2)
  • WRAT3 Test STILL acceptable in Pa or not?Help PLEASE! - Lisa 2/22/2010 (1)
  • >Homeschooler Days @ Great Wolf Lodge, Pocono Mtns - Melissa Beers 2/22/2010 (0)
  • Puss in Boots Onstage inTrappe & Oreland, PA - Family Stages 2/22/2010 (0)
  • Homeschooling while out of state - Michelle 2/22/2010 (1)
  • Homeschool Prom in PA? - Hope Pasztor 2/21/2010 (0)
  • To Beekeep at Home... - gail 2/21/2010 (0)
  • graduation ceremonies - Jennifer 2/20/2010 (1)
  • corinna lankford - mstewart 2/19/2010 (1)
  • High School Conference - Heather 2/18/2010 (1)
  • Annual Used book/used curriculum sale on March 29th - gabrielle contino 2/18/2010 (0)
  • PFEW-- Pennsylvania Free-Enterprise Week... week-long summer program for teens... - Susan Richman 2/17/2010 (1)
  • HELP! NEED SOMEONE TO ADMINISTER PIAT-R! - Dorene 2/17/2010 (2)
  • SAT Code - Marian 2/16/2010 (1)
  • testing - Lea Cale 2/16/2010 (2)
  • Learn Piano at Home in the Poconos - Harvey Feldman 2/16/2010 (0)
  • Unschooling grad Bode Miller, 32, won his third Olympic medal in downhill skiing yesterday - Howard Richman 2/16/2010 (1)
  • School Day Performance of Hamlet - Stephanie Harley 2/15/2010 (0)
  • Homeschooled Judson Greene from Bloomsburg wins first place in regional Poetry Out Loud competition - Howard Richman 2/14/2010 (0)
  • Study Abroad & Service Learning for Homeschool Families - Spanish, French & Chinese - Angela Steele 2/12/2010 (0)
  • Homeschool Graduate Pens Award-winning Christian Novel! - Susan Richman 2/12/2010 (0)
  • how to get started and finding non-denominational groups - michele calabretta 2/12/2010 (1)
  • Neat idea-- a VIRTUAL 'Heart of the Matter' homeschool conference.... Feb. 22-24, 2010 - Susan Richman 2/12/2010 (2)
  • Is there a way to view the message board as a full page rather than as a sidebar? - cherie 2/12/2010 (1)
  • Legal question for Howard and Susan - Rebecca Hirsch 2/11/2010 (2)
  • AZ girl escapes virtual prison at home - Howard Richman 2/11/2010 (1)
  • connecting with homeschooling parents in Schuylkill County - Vera Mumbauer 2/10/2010 (2)
  • Accelerated courses in 8th Grade through cyber/ transfer question - Cynthia 2/10/2010 (2)
  • Piano and other music lessons - Marissa Bruno 2/9/2010 (0)
  • GYM CLASSES - Anna 2/9/2010 (0)
  • Looking for a homeschool group - Leah 2/9/2010 (2)
  • Facebook - Cynthia 2/9/2010 (0)
  • anyone who can help me find a work at home job - amanda 2/8/2010 (2)
  • HS Biology Lab question - Cynthia 2/8/2010 (0)
  • Learn Piano at Home - Harvey Feldman 2/7/2010 (0)
  • Homeschool mom Corinna Lankford and daughter Nicole among those in jail in Haiti,accused of kidnapping - Howard Richman 2/7/2010 (1)
  • home schoolers in the warminster area - mike musmanno 2/7/2010 (0)
  • Special Services - Jim D 2/5/2010 (1)
  • Importance of Being Earnest Press Release-Players of the Stage - Beth Barshinger 2/5/2010 (0)
  • Birdwatching Ideas from *BirdSleuth*, from the Cornell University Ornithology Lab - Susan Richman 2/4/2010 (0)
  • Homeschooling Info - Jerry Brittain 2/4/2010 (2)
  • MD homeschool robotics team wins first place in the robot design category at Baltimore competition - Howard Richman 2/4/2010 (0)
  • H.S.Biology/ second semester entrance? - Cynthia 2/4/2010 (1)
  • ITBS question - Nan 2/3/2010 (2)
  • Is there an organization like this in PA? - Lori 2/2/2010 (0)
  • Homeschool grad, amputee Josh Sundquist, is an inspiration to many - Howard Richman 2/2/2010 (1)
  • How Do I Start Home Schooling? - Jeanie 2/1/2010 (4)
  • Living in more than one state - Sheryl 2/1/2010 (1)
  • Try a unit study on the Olympics - the games begin Feb. 12 - Mary 2/1/2010 (0)
  • Homeschool Radio-- thought you might be interested in listening to these broadcasts online - Susan Richman 2/1/2010 (0)
  • Register now for Pittsburgh Carnegie Science Center Sci-Tech Days -- held March 9-12, 2010 - Susan Richman 2/1/2010 (0)
  • Music lessons - Bucks/Montgomery/Phila - Mark Arrington 2/1/2010 (0)
  • PA Graduation Tests - Cindy 2/1/2010 (1)
  • re: info/conferences - Terri 1/30/2010 (1)
  • Constructivism: a Primer for Parents - Bruce Deitrick Price 1/29/2010 (0)
  • German homeschooling family granted asylum in U.S. since homeschooling illegal in Germany - Howard Richman 1/29/2010 (0)
  • How do I homeschool in PA? - felicia 1/26/2010 (4)
  • PHAA bylaws now require narrative evaluations, starting with evaluations written for the 2009-2010 school year - Howard Richman 11/22/2009 (1)
  • Music Program for Homeschooler Groups - Timothy Mobley 1/25/2010 (0)
  • Warwick Park's educational programs and trails - Darian Elliott 1/25/2010 (0)
  • Advice needed - M. Hanley 1/25/2010 (3)
  • Humanities - Joyce 1/25/2010 (1)
  • Robert C Byrd scholarship - Kim H 1/22/2010 (2)
  • geometry - Jill 1/22/2010 (1)
  • available music component - Hope W. Kopf 1/21/2010 (1)
  • USED HOMESCHOOL CURRICULUM BOOK SALE - Stephanie 1/20/2010 (0)
  • Music/Sewing Lessons - Esther Brubaker 1/20/2010 (0)
  • High School Girls Soccer Program - Anita Souder 1/20/2010 (0)
  • SparkPeople.com -- a terrific health and fitness resource for ALL the family-- parents, teens, kids! - Susan Richman 1/20/2010 (0)
  • Music Education - Timothy Mobley 1/19/2010 (0)
  • Feb. 2 Homeschoolers Ski outing Blue Mountain Ski Area Palmerton, PA - AnnH 1/19/2010 (0)
  • Could be interesting to discuss with your kids-- the 'TIME for Kids' and 'KidsHealth' survey of children's views on politics, the future, and more. - Susan Richman 1/19/2010 (0)
  • Francis S. Collins, Director of National Institute of Health, was homeschooled until 6th grade - Howard Richman 1/19/2010 (0)
  • Question re: PHAA high school credit requirements - Annette 1/19/2010 (5)
  • spring testing - Allison 1/18/2010 (2)


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    New Research on Homeschoolers and Socialization
    Dr. Gary Welton, 2/3/2010

    Gary Welton is both a homeschool father, the teacher of one of our AP Psychology classes online, and a professor of psychology at Grove City College. He's been doing research into aspects of socialization and the homeschooling experience, and shares some of his findings in this article. 

    Socialization as a Religious Phenomenon

    Gary L. Welton
    Center for Research on Positive Youth Development
    At Grove City College

                Every home schooling parent has been asked the S-Question: “What about socialization?” The implications (real or imagined) of the question are less than flattering:

    • Students who attend schools outside the home are socialized better because they spend so much time with their immature peers, whereas students who attend school within the home are poorly socialized because they spend so much time with their mature parents.
    • Home school families do not interact with one another.
    • Socialization that occurs on the soccer field, during debate rounds, and in church doesn’t count (or is somehow inferior).
    • Students who attend school outside the home are always well socialized.
    • Your kids are so weird.

    I would like to put the S-Question to rest by summarizing research I conducted along with my colleagues. We surveyed 223 families (a teen and a parent), 95 of which were schooling at home. The results point to three important observations: home schooling teens socialize more than other teens, they socialize differently than other teens, but that both of these observations miss the point. Socialization is not a home schooling issue; it is a religious phenomenon.

    First, home schooling teens socialize more than other teens. Using a standard measurement scale of 21 questions, we measured the extent to which the teens spend time interacting with their family, their friends, and other significant adults. Home school teens indicated significantly more social interaction than other teens. The S-Question assumes that home schooling teens are not engaged in social interaction. This is contrary to what is actually occurring.

    It is true, however, that the home schooling teens are not in every category engaged in more social interaction. There is a difference in the target of the interactions. When asked about interaction with their families, home school youth indicated significantly more interaction in comparison to other youth. They indicated significantly more interaction with other significant adults. However, they indicated significantly less interaction with their friends. Home school youth interact more with family and adults, less with friends. The social interaction of home schooling teens is different from that of others.

    The teens tell us that home schoolers have more social interaction overall, but less with their peers. We are confident that this reflects genuine differences because we saw the same differences when we asked their parents.

    However, all of these observations miss the point. I would argue, in the end, that the goal is not socialization, per se. The larger view would suggest that socialization is one important aspect of our teens’ lives, as they develop character, or positive youth development. For example, socialization in an unhealthy subculture that fosters criminal behavior is not healthy socialization. In order to assess positive youth development, we measured five traits which, as a whole, suggest that a teen is developing character. The five aspects that we measured are contentment, selflessness, forgiveness, resilience, and gratitude. Combined, these provide a reliable measure of positive youth development.

    One of the important predictors of positive youth development is religious faith. When we use religiosity, social interaction, and home schooling to predict positive youth development, the home schooling variable drops out of the model. Home schooling youth are high in character development, higher than others. They are high in religiosity, higher than others. Likewise, they are higher in social interaction. Nevertheless, as a predictor of positive youth development, school choice drops out of the model, being overwhelmed by the religiosity variable.

    Religious practice creates a community that encourages social interaction and fosters positive youth development, so much so that it overwhelms differences in schooling choice. There is no evidence that home schooling youth are poorly socialized. However, there is evidence that we are asking and addressing the wrong question. Instead, the data suggest that children and teens in our churches and other religious institutions are engaged in more social interaction and are being better socialized.

    Jodi Picoult makes a valid observation in her recent novel, Change of Heart, when she says, “What religion did for me went beyond belief—it made me part of a community.”

    It is time to quit asking home school parents the S-Question. If you must ask the S-Question, ask it of the families who are not engaged in religious activities. Those are the kids we should be concerned about.


    Comment by Barb Finnical, 2/9/2010:

    I'm a first year homeschooler to my 13 year old son, and I'm in it for the long haul (through high school). We came on board because the school system (private, Christian, never public) didn't do an effective job with him. He's slightly LD and they tried, but just didn't have the time to invest. I also love being able to change curriculum midstream if it's not working.

    But socially, we're struggling. I live in a moderately urban area, yet it seems like many of the homeschoolers are busy. When we do go to events, it seems like there are mostly younger kids there. I'm not sure where all the homeschooled middle schoolers are. 

    We do attend church, and he has one close friend there. But because we're only there for 2.5 hours on Sunday and 1.5 on Wednesday, it a little harder for my son to connect than when he was at school 6.5 hours a day and had two 45-minute bus rides each day. He's not athletic, so sports are out as a social means. We do homeschool gym 2 hours a week and I'm hoping something more will come of that.

    Most of his friends come from his old school, and I'm glad for that, otherwise he really wouldn't have many close friends. Maybe my late start has contributed to the lack of socialization.

    We have reached out to others and have gotten together on occasion, but it's a far cry from a classroom full of kids and recesses every day.

    I'm hoping things will change next year. Let me know if anyone else shares this struggle, especially with middle or high school kids.

    Response to this comment by Susan Richman, 2/18/2010:
    Hello Barb, Thanks so much for adding your thoughts here. My sense is that things will get better for your son as you have more time in homeschooling-- but definitely others have had similar problems with 'where are the older homeschoolers' when it comes to things like group field trips, etc. People with older kids tend to 'drop out' of such activities, and so things get more geared to just the elementary age participants. I'm glad your son is still able to keep in touch with his school friends-- that is not always easy, as kids get on very different schedules, or had less in common. One thing I'd suggest might be taking a pro-active stance when you're at, say, the homeschool gym day. Try to strike up a friendship with another mom with a son around your son's age.... invite them over to your home for lunch or a games or movie night or something you think the boys might enjoy (haha, or maybe a snow shoveling race!!!). Unless parents take on this sort of role of helping set up possible fun social events, where their child can really become friends with another homeschoolers (and most likely *kids* won't think to do this sort of planning or inviting themselves, at this age...), then the gym day becomes just an event where you come together for that hour, and then zip off in your respective directions. I'd also recommend seeing what sorts of small-group classes are available in your area, either with homeschoolers at a co-op weekly class setting (THAT's where all the middle school and older homeschoolers are!), or at local art or fitness or music classes. You mention that your son is not athletic-- but he may indeed really *need* then the support of some sort of organized class to make sure he gets a good overall fitness program. I'd *highly* recommend you look into some form of martial arts for your son-- from what I hear from *many* homeschooling families, most martial arts schools are *exceptionally* good at helping new students feel welcome and at home, supported and encouraged while they are learning to do things that are also clearly manly and interesting and intriguing and confidence-boosting. I can't tell you how many boys I know who were really pretty depressed and lack luster and feeling at 'odds' with themselves and the world (longterm homeschoolers, too...) who just got totally reinvigorated by martial arts lessons. Often the *dads* in the family opt to take part too, which is probably a great help-- boys this age really need their dads, and other male teachers, in their lives. And most kids in martial arts classes do form good working friendships with the other participants in their classes. Another group option might be looking into a local homeschool *volleyball team* -- these are co-ed teams, with varied levels of play, very supportive coaches, and *many* kids who sign up who are NOT 'athletic'. This program meant the world to my three younger kids during their middle school and high school years, and was the REAL place they got to form positive friendships. The weekly practices, the friendly atmosphere, the working for a real goal, the seeing the *same* group so regularly, all made for great friendships. Keep in touch with how your year develops-- it sounds to me like you are doing the right things to help your son keep up friendships, and gradually add new ones.   Thanks for responding here, Susan Richman, Editor Pennsylvania Homeschoolers


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